[MrCrabbs]

In addition to the main rules concerning cheats ( http://www.galacticmag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4975 ) there is a rule on Trade Embargoes (refusing to trade) that has historically only been enforced occassionally, and only in very clear cases.

It is intended to stop players doing a "Kamikazee" and killing you by refusing to trade with you, even though they are hurting themselves.

Here it is:

[MrCrabbs]

The rule, if applied often, can create extra work for mods.

If applied over-vigorously, it creates even more work and many players feel it restricts their freedom to play how they want.

If it's applied to new players who are still getting to grips with the game, that's not really fair.

But if the rule is never enforced, players are free to "Kamikazee" and ruin games.

So it would be good in my view to try to keep this rule for clear cases in the new GM.

[theunknownamus]

That all depends... are we innocent until proven guilty or vice-versa? Unless the chat otherwise specifies, there's no way to tell what the true intent of a player is/was. Any user can say their spite was merely their "strategy"

[judd]

Kreso didn't even write that rule and I sometimes block as part of my strategy
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[NewMagnate]

Dear MrCrabbs thank you for your suggestion. I hate the blocking game style. Furthermore, often even symmetrical deals have been blocked (or for example two players have 2 whites and 2 blacks each and one of them doesn't want trade).
But i think that we do not have to force such players into compulsive deals.
For such type of players (persistent in madness ) blacklist ratio will be implemented. If player has such "style" he will receive high BL ratio very soon. In settings you can select option to escape such players. And the system will not put you either in the games with players who are the members of your BL or in the games with players with high BL ratio.

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[Falun]

Crabs I agree you raise a lot of interesting and valid points and as much as it annoys myself also when players flatly refuse to make a trade nevermind a fair one, I don't believe it can be enforced. It would result in a very narrow optic of individuality and gameplay.

Trading is down to the individuals offer and all to often their nature and sometimes skills in communication and persuassion. This is all part of the game.

Forcing players to trade would help only those with very intelligent understanding of the trade possibilities and marginalise those that don't. We should keep the decission to trade or not a personal one.

The recomendation to players to trade is enough in the game hints and help sections in my opinion.

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[trace567]

I was in support of reintroducing the non trading rule here, under very strict guidelines of when it could and could not be put into use. It did not go down particularly well with players or moderators in general and I was not overly popular in doing this.

Now whilst I was in support of it here under the current game format with strict rules as to when it could and could not apply, I don't feel that for the new version on GM it would be appropriate. There are going to be many more players, with easier reporting functions. There is predicted to be a large increase in reports. Non trading is also something that must only be ruled about by a very experienced player who can not just view something a cheat trade, but establish the fact x player had no other methods available to them to improve their ranking. So its really not as simple as looking at a trade which took place, in non trading you must look around all that very thoroughly to what other options the player had, why they refused to trade (did they have fair reason not to) etc etc.

I don't therefore feel it would be very helpful for whoever the moderators will be to deal with such complaints fairly and consistently. As there will be the blacklist option, I think that will give players a way to avoid players they dislike playing. Also if as I mentioned in another post trade offers could be viewed after the game , you could pick up on stubborn or annoying player before you actually encounter their refusal to take part in a good fair trade.

[MrCrabbs]

Trace, Falun and NewMagnate you all make good points.

Maybe the blacklist will solve this infuriating problem without threatening anyone's freedom.

Maybe there will develop three cultures - those who blacklist the non-traders, those who blacklist the traders, and those peaceful types who don't blacklist either.

I know what camp I'll be in though

Trace, I am really liking your suggestion of having trade offers visible after the game.

[judd]

[theunknownamus]

Nil?

[MrCrabbs]