[belkin]

date: saturday 20,march 2010, time 00:40am. 4 player game, lucyuba, baltimore,crdox and myself sensi,crdox buys all of baltimore property for under market value which none of the property have no use to him/her please check the log to back up wat i am saying thanks.

[Esko]

I didn't buy all his property, and i told you i bought purple and the other thing (i think it was red) to prevent you from getting it.

Also recession was close or even minus. I do not remember exactly because i don't analyze every game with military precision but rather enjoy it.

I advise you not to cry because i paid 500 too little and you think it was worthless because to me it wasn't.

You already knew this in game. Everyone loses once in a while. This doesn't mean your worthless like the properties i bought were in your eyes. Just practice some more and eventually you might enjoy the game instead of feeling like a second hand diaper because you think people cheat you on purpose in a way that affects you.

I lose a lot too but when i do, i don't cry and try to blame someone else. Mistakes and unexperienced players are everywhere. I assume you're new because if not you already know this.

Good day to u sir

[CYN]

25% reduction to both players as trades need to be beneficial to both players not just to block another player.
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CYN

ITS ALL GOOD

[Esko]

I don't think it wasn't beneficial. He had about 1000 in cash and i gave him 1500. At the time i offered it, his cash should be above or equal to this little girl's cash.

That's why he started crying. He told someone he was going to finish last and i could take the girl's remaining sets while giving this baltimore enough cash to compete with her.

Mr sensi didn't like that and that's why she got a little bit upset. This is why it reported me.


>> 'crdox buys all of baltimore property for under market value which none of the property have no use to him/her' <<

What exactly is the problem. I bought things UNDER market value while it has 'no use' to me?

Should i have paid more for something that has 'no use' to me ? Would it be ok if i paid 2000? (market value)

What exactly is 'beneficial' if giving him cash to to go from 4th place to 3rd isn't?

[Nilo911]

[Esko]

Thanks for the point reduction but it's totally ineffective. It's like you're trying to punish me for making a bad trade of which i still don't understand why it's so bad.


I really don't understand what makes a trade beneficial. Does it have to be equally beneficial to both players or can it benefit one greatly and the other one less? If so it would be a lot of maths to decide before you send a trade or not. Unless you have 2 sets that gain the same income, how could a trade ever be equally beneficial to both players? The game relies too much on luck to tell beforehand what will put someone in a beneficial position or not.

If player A has no property and he would gain one set by a trade with player B. And player B has 1 or 2 purple red or green properties.

Should player B pay more because he is in a better position before the trade or should player A settle with a straight swap because he has nothing?



I don't mind losing points. I lose enough by myself they go up and down.

Point reduction is nice but it's not like i'm a felon who doesn't want to agree with the rules. No mod ever explained to me what a bad trade is (besides things like paying too little for full sets or ruining a game). Neither did i do something like cheating on purpose. If you want to reduce my points go ahead, it won't help unless someone defines what the trading rules are though. Not knowing unwritten rules is not my mistake.

[sim5]

a trade is fair even if it benefit one greatly and the other one less as one can have more bargaining power than others in doing a trade,its all depend on game situation

but at the end no matter what keep 1 thing in mind all trade should benefit both parties in advancing their position in some form or the other

if some1 is 100 % winning and do a trade its not good & get penalized to make things fair for others who are in game

there is no fixed price or rules for any trade & all should keep above things in mind while doing a trade
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[Esko]

I understand, ty.

I didn't rip him off. He was in last place but i gave him cash while he gave me sensi's remaining sets. It was because i didn't want sensi to land on the 3rds of his sets that would be free if baltimore went out.

This is why i can't see how this doesn't benefit both of us. Before the trade, baltimore was way behind on cash. After the trade he had as much as sensi. The one who would land on upgraded sets the most would be out first. So the cash i gave him did benefit because he would have gone out before sensi for sure without it while having properties no one needs anymore near recession.

If i didnt pay him or gave 300 fora full set it wouldn't benefit him. I know what a cheat is. I didn't make a ridiculous offer to kill him. I just took over those properties that blocked sensi's sets and paid him for it.

I blocked sensi. One player being blocked is beneficial for all other players in the game.

[theunknownamus]

I believe the problem is that is appeared you were making a one sided offer in only helping the other player with no benefit to yourself, that is if you were already in a good position. While blocking isn't a straight cheat (as far as I know), it is rather discouraging to the other player(s) and I discourage this type of playing such as opening properties that you don't need and going for 2nd, 3rd, etc.

[Esko]

Yea that's exactly what happened. It 'appeared' i gave him cash for useless things.

I didn't realize it was one sided because he could still beat me if he completed those sets i bought from the other player.

This is why i didn't think it was useless to me. It didnt help me to get a full set so it didnt benefit me directly but it saved me from having to outbid him in the end. << isn't that benefit?

I didnt make a unfair deal with the one i traded with because he didn't accept anything that would make his position worse. It could help him or leave him where he was. I just paid him for things he couldn't use because it had value to me. If he would go out first, sensi could have finished his sets and upgraded them.

I knew they wanted eachother to go out first so i had a good chance of him accepting the trade because i didn't put him at risk by offering a trade that would kill him.

I understand the warning but it's not easy to calculate what's a bad trade and what's acceptable. If i can't trade this way, i think the only way to play is just not trading. Blocking and to hope i land on all properties to buy my own sets and hope they don't bid me so high that i'll go out first.

Sometimes i actually do that but it can be very hard not to finish last in 4/5p when people trade green purple red and blue while you're stuck with things you pay too much for.

The trade did benefit me because it insured first place for me.

[Esko]