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Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:31 am
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MATTIE
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5p game at 0120 server time


paris-b
mostly_evil
Joski
skara
berbo2


skara and berbo2 open each others properties right thru the game get it at nominal prices and later swap, when confronted they accept they are playin together , plz check logs and take app actions ....
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:00 am
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diron
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please check as i never team with player. I never said that as well.
I just like to make fair trades. 1500 that u offer me for 3rd white is not fair trade for me on 280 on start. and i have done my trading after u 2 traded 2 reds (he had the 1) for 2nd green and 4th black!!!
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:33 am
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On the chat side of things this is the part that raises questions:

: from:Mostly_Evil to:GAME395860 2009/06/28 01:24:58 : i dont understand , u guys p lay together ?
: from:Mostly_Evil to:GAME395860 2009/06/28 01:25:01 : he is opening urs
: from:Mostly_Evil to:GAME395860 2009/06/28 01:25:03 : u his
: from:skara to:GAME395860 2009/06/28 01:25:03 : yes we r

Trades wise, all seem beneficial to both.

The opening of other properties is of course allowed, and if properties were being opened that had plans of a trade is ok.

I've checked all other things and I'm really left with only the chat to go on to make any ruling.

My problem is the way the chat is the "yes we r" could of be answering " i don't understand , u guys p lay together ?"...or it could be answering " he is opening urs, u his".

But at the same time other players also felt teaming was happening.

Hmm catch 22 situation I think. I will sleep on this one and have a second think tomorrow.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:01 am
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I m skara in that game....
Player berbo have 2 oranges , I dont know who opened 3rd orange , but not me , and I have the 3rd orange then ,

Lets say something , when player A have 1 green , and player B have 2nd green , then 3rd green been opened , ofcourse players A&B will not bid on each other one. That what happened in that game...
Its only för example I dont mean the green , but that really happened in that game on brown,cyan,purple ,,,,

mostly_evil
Why didnt you or other players bid on 3rd brown , 3rd cyan,3rd purple ????
Why you let me & berbo have each 3rd freely , Do you think we will not trade on , or what ????

Trace
Sorry about the language I use in the chat , but really player mostly_evil
make me angry when said we r teaming, and that not true.

Any way berbo came 3rd , me 2nd.

mostly_evil
You talked about opening properties för other player , you opened 3rd red , which player joski have the other 2reds , and no body say you r teaming us,Then you and joski do a bad trade in my opinion , and no body said you r teaming us , I just said its bad trade in the chat ,
Player paris opened 3rd green which joski have the 2 others green with good cash , its just a kind of strategy mostly_evil ,,,,,,,, Have fun.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:10 am
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Trace
Yes , I said (yes we r).
after I opened 3rd purple and no body bid on it , mostly_evil be surprised why I opened it and said we r teaming the others , that make me to answer him (yes we r).
And I said , the forum is opening 24 hours a day , that mean , I want him to stop writting in the chat and write here in the forum ,
(yes we r) mean , that me and berbo will open the sharing monopol , and will trade on it.
Hope you understand what I mean.
Thanks för your time
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:55 pm
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diron wrote:


1500 that u offer me for 3rd white is not fair trade for me on 280 on start 2 reds (he had the 1) for 2nd green and 4th black!!!
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are you sure it was 280 at start ???
and 2 reds giving me a set for 2 green and 4th black is a very fair trade.


trace wrote:


But at the same time other players also felt teaming was happening.


every other player in the game felt there was some teaming going on in the game, as u can see from the logs trace.

i am not sure who gets what , but the game went on something like this -1 player gets pink , lets say berbo ( cud be skara ), next skara opens it , and berbo gives it to skara pretty cheap. same happens with cyan. ornage, browns. i had fully upgraded my reds and just finished getting my third white and cud not bid to stop it. The other 2 players joski and paris-b did not bid , and i cant do much about it.
but thats not even the point when two players play with such a level of understanding together , two proffessional players , dunno how long they been doing this " Tactical Cheating " or Tactical Teaming ".

i opened joski's 3rd red and got it fairly high prices, he had no cash to buy it . thats how the game is played. i paid a good price for second green, and u opened the last black, u shud have gotten it , if u cud see a trade coming esp since u had all the cash.

this is very frustrating , when u pay the world and build sets and incomes , and two ppl play together who buy each others stuffs and later swap , not unfair trades at all, they get things cheaper.

for eg if i go for my second green, i wud pay normally 1500, but coz he is giving he will give it at say 1100. so the rest of the players dont realise what exactly is going on unless its too late as its green.

the pattern nowadays in games is ppl who buy white and blacks are the first to die as they got no cash and are given no time to get thier cash backs , coz by the time they finish it , there is pink and green on board swapped to form formidable sets and ready to kill... seen it too many times.

i hope u see what i mean trace, it saddens me to see two long time players working like this
Sad Sad


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Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:08 pm
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Ok well I've gone back to look over all the logs for the game again.

I have found a very bad trade offer by skara to joshi
One that I would call a unfair trade

Trade:
From skara to joski
Cash: 1000
Giving 1 black (to make the 3rd), taking 1st green.

This is wildly over priced. Base value of green is 700, so were talking of 1700 for a 3rd black min.

Then another horrific offer

Trade:
From skara to joski
Cash: 1000
Giving black
Taking 2 red.

Making at total of 2000 for 3rd black (on base value)

Then berbo sends a highly over priced trade offer (start at 225):

Trade:
From berbo2 to Mostly_Evil
Cash: 1400
Giving 3rd extractor
Taking the 1400 and 1 red.
The other 2 reds owned by joski

The problem here is that that last red could be sold on to joshi for a fair amount, so making this a pretty unfair trade offer.

Finally at start money 40

Trade:
From skara to joski
Cash: -1200
Taking 4 blacks

Now joski was using credit. Owned 3 green with no upgrades.

The next lowest player being mostly_evil, he too was using credit, but owned 3 extractors and reds on 3 upgrades.

If the trade had taken place it would certainly be questioned on if it was a cheat trade.
This was valuing the 4 black at 300 each, which is quite frankly not on from a player who is experienced.
Money was low all round but at the time skara had 1795 cash, the highest cash of all players and owned cyan (full upgrades, and pink 4 upgrades).

Now back to the chat log. Having looked at the time of each message, I can only assume the "yes we r" was in reply to the first comment.
However berbo does not say they are teaming.

Based on all of the above, I will be taking a 50% reduction from skara for all the cheat trade offers and saying "yes we r" to the teaming.

Berbo2 will get a 50% point reduction for the one extremely bad trade offer that had it been accepted would of been classed as a cheat trade, and also for possible teaming.

If any further reports of teaming are made and verified both players will receive bans.

Skara also to receive 5 day ban for repeated bad trades. Your trades have come into question many times, and it is time this ended. Please use the 5 days to rethink your trades.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:11 pm
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I cant agree my offer was cheat trade offer, yes it was bad, cos i was angry at that time for offering me just 1500 for 3d white, (ok,not 280 on start but more than 200 for sure cant remember exactly) so i offer 1400 andred for the 3rd white,which is bad trade offer and i knew he wont accept,but not cheat as we both would benifit.
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