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Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:03 pm
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NewMagnate
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What do you think if all reports about unfair trades will be placed on site with screenshot before the trade, trade's parameters and deleted names (to avoid subjective decisions we should replace real name to player 1,2,3 etc.). And all players with rating more than 25k could make a decision (cheat or not)? After 3 votes this report will be published with real names.
The head of cheat mods can evaluate the quality of such volunteers cheat mod and stop the activity of unprofessional.
Please give your suggestion/critics.
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:17 pm
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Decisions need to be taken by a responsible person. I would fear that "volunteer" players may not be reliable enough to give responses in good time.

I also feel the 25k parameter is somewhat arbitrary, since you can get that by playing mostly 2p, and have very little experience of trading.

Finally, the rules are clear, and the problems arise when we stray from them. A democratic element would probably lead even further away from the rules towards subjective viewpoints.

I think the system you propose, or something like it, may be of use in an appeal against a ruling, but maybe not as a replacement for specialised admin.
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:50 pm
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On the cheat trade thing of having 3 users over 25k vote, I can see this having positive and negative issues. What if the player even if over 25k doesn't know the rules properly? It happens, and it happens a fair bit. Also some players chose to mostly play 2p games and thus don't have the experience of multi games but could still vote.
What if it causes moderators to become a bit lazy and ignore reports as they got 3 votes already, because there are too many reports to wade through?
What if a moderator does check after the 3 votes and decides that in fact it is indeed a cheat trade and the 3 voters were wrong?
I dunno,,,,I have mixed feelings about this one.
Would the players in the game be blocked from voting?
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:42 pm
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Dear Trace, SYN, MrCrabbs,
You are veterans of GM, I don't want to spoil the game and add smth what can make the game worse.
In this case I understand your concerns about quality of cheat analyzing process.
We are going to attract at least 1000 new players every day and will make cheat reporting easer. I predict that it means hundreds of reports every day.
Now I'm trying to make this process as much automatic as we can (bad words system recognition, excluding word description from the bad trade report).
For me as a player it will be interesting to participate in cheat analyzing process. So I decided that part of the skilled players could help with this task. Of course, we have to make the audit of, for example first 10 decisions and each 10 of the next every new cheat analyzers.
Now I don't have clear picture in mind and need your help.
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Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:16 pm
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The largest problem we have with cheat trades is one mod available. Once there are more mods so that cheats can be looked at by more than one person and rulings can be analyzed then that part will be solved. As for the instant reporting with details available, it will be a definite plus. They major issue i am worried about is false reporting since you stated elsewhere the other players will receive their points back. We have some players that report when they lose and just state things didnt seem right. Having to give specific example is a must and the reason they believe it is cheat. Simply not liking a players strategy does not make the trade a cheat, so sometimes it is hard to rule on something the complainer thinks is a cheat when it is not actually cheating. Cheat trade ruling will always be an issue and anything that can make it easier will be very helpful. I foresee hundreds of cheat complaints when the new version gets going, especially with all the new players.
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