[belkin]

5player casino game, 25k time:6:10pm date:30:01:2010. daaaante, spicy-chicken, sensi, boss2boss and cheeky-bugga. daaaante sold spicy chicken 3 browns for 500 pounds which is under market value please have a look into the log. daaaante tried to sell me the 3 browns for 500 and i refuse because i know better spicy-chicken should know better as he is a veteran playing this game long time.

[sim5]

the trade was a very good 1 as it gave both player advantage
daaante got valuable 500 at -70 rec which pushed him above from 5th position & i got brown set which help me to beat boss who could have won this game
at the end u lost against daaante just because of cash diff as u had to degrade ur pinks
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No expectations, no disappointments.

[trace567]

trade accepted
game: 448934
game is not ranked
2010/01/30 18:06:22
players at start: 5
players alive: 5
start money: -70
roll: 383
game time: 46:8

players:
0 daaaante position:30 cash: 684 credit: 180
1 spicy_chicken position: 4 cash: 2790 credit: 600
2 sensi position:30 cash: 306 credit: 150
3 boss2boss position:22 cash: 936 credit: 1400
4 cheeky_bugga position:39 cash: 397 credit: 1050

Trade:
From daaaante to spicy_chicken
Cash: 500

Giving spicy_chicken 3 brown

Game was just into ec start -70

Players owned following sets:


daaaante - cyan fully upgraded - cash: 684 credit: 180 - income 200x3 = 600

spicy_chicken - green fully upgraded - 2790 credit: 600 - income 500 x3 = 1500

sensi - pink fully upgraded - cash: 306 credit: 150 = income 350x3 = 1050

boss2boss - 4 white 4 black red fully upgraded - cash: 936 credit: 1400
- income 150x4 150x4 300x3 = 2100

cheeky_bugga - yellow fully upgraded orange fully upgraded 2 dark blue (3rd owned by boss) - cash: 397 credit: 1050 - income 100x3 250x2 = 800

Dante had least income and least credit, cash wise was similar to other players
Spicy had 2nd best income but best cash.

The brown were no use to dante, and spicy needed extra income if he was to beat boss.

The value traded 500 for 3 brown seems low but with upgrade cost 1600 (for level 4) but cost only 800 if downgrade value is taken into account. I doubt anyone would of paid much more than 500 as the game was into ec.

The end rank order for the game was -

spicy 1st
boss 2nd
cheeky 3rd
dante 4th
sensi 5th

Prior to trade I would of expected dante to be 5th, and to be honest even after the trade they were not much better off than sensi or cheeky.

This is actually a really difficult trade to call. It by the looks worked out, but then the board was so heavily built that any dice rolls could change the game greatly.

I feel this trade was borderline, there is definite hope to advance on the side of spicy, and I will not say that 500 was not useful to dante. But the trade really isn't too good, its right on the edge really.

As the trade did work out and increased both ranks I don't really know what to do here. I am not keen on the trade, it did alter the game of which was for a large number of points being casino.

I can understand how sensi and boss may feel cheated by this trade. I don't feel I can punish it as it really is right on the edge and near impossible to judge. But I will say I would rather this kind of trading didn't happen as it is possibly morally unfair, especially in a high point game.

Just to add here, its one thing for me to sit here doing sums on what everyone had, what income they had etc etc, but I know players don't sit there doing maths mid game to decide on whether to take or send a trade.

[HHHfan]

a long story short, if sim cheats, dont bother wasting time turning it in, because it will not be a cheat because sim can do no wrong. i agree belkin, had you accepted the trade, sim no doubt would have turned it in, and your points would have no doubt got reduced, sorry, just a casual observation.

[trace567]

[HHHfan]

boy oh boy, arent we defensive. look, belkin clearly said he turned down the same trade because he didnt want turned in. unfortunately thats how you guys have it, your so inconsistant with rulings, how could anybody figure out trading?

you can turn it into a personal thing i dont care, im tired of the injustices i see around here, in the four years ive been around, so sue me, or ban me, i have little time for games these days anyhow. i went and had a look at some of sims trades, and there seems to be consistantly a mile long explaination followed by the ruling that the trade was good, no matter what. on the contrary, when sim turns in a shadey trade against him, it seems to be consistantly a cheat, not a coincicdence in my book.

as to say im not good, you can think what you want. you dont have a clue about how much i know about strategy, none of you. i tell you this game is mainly purely luck. think what u want. demonize me. so i stuck up for someone who turned down a cheat trade only to have the same trade accepted and deemed legal. if nobody sees the problem, too bad for you, you can continue to have it.

funny tho, how nasty you get trace, when faced with facts you cant explain well! im not making this stuff up. so sorry that the facts just so happen to be, what the facts are. if you dont like the facts, dont take it out on me for pointing out the obvious, change the stuff thats wrong. or shoot the messenger, at this point, i dont really care anymore.

[trace567]