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Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:31 am |
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heckienaw
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| Post subject: cheat trade bots again |
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in a game with jackminnow and bots. at the end of game trades were made just to make me last. just before last roll made a trade just to save him.game just ended.
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:37 am |
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theunknownamus
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| Post subject: No way man. |
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It was not a cheat trade as the trades were mutually beneficial, and above base value. Not to mention it raised our ranks. He even wanted to trade with you if you would have paid attention. I tried explaining this to you but you wouldn't listen. Please read Kreso's post again for clairification.  |
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:59 am |
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heckienaw
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how can it be mutually beneficial, if go is at minus 800, one player is right before go and it is his roll, he only has 200 bucks and 300 credit, so as soon as he rolls hes gone. But he gets a trade from bots that gives him enough to pass go. bots had the game already so did not benefit from trade.
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:03 am |
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sim5
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| Post subject: 50% points reduction for cheat trades |
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trade accepted
game: 432499
game is ranked
2009/11/27 05:12:59
players at start: 4
players alive: 3
start money: -930
roll: 740
game time: 80:47
players:
0 hbic points: 6541 position: 5 cash: -1383 credit: 1610
1 lorraine points:10900 dead
2 bots points: 5875 position:29 cash: 4222 credit: 700
3 jackminnow points: 5743 position:38 cash: 592 credit: 370
Trade:
From bots to jackminnow
Cash: -500
1 color: 250 @= no owner Nanobot Hospital
2 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Information Network
3 color: 250 @= no owner Cellular Regeneration
5 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Water Extractors
6 color: 249 @= owner:3 h:0 Terraforming Facilities
8 color: 249 @= owner:3 h:0 Rain Generators
9 color: 249 @= owner:3 h:0 Hydroponics Bay
11 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Emotion Market
12 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Brainplug Reality Center
13 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Holo Dome
14 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Pipes
15 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Air Extractors
16 color: 247 @= owner:3 Antigravitational Transpo
18 color: 247 @= TAKING owner:3 Space Elevator
19 color: 247 @= owner:0 Teleportation Control
21 color: 253 @= owner:0 Superconducting Magnetic
22 color: 253 @= owner:0 Anti Matter Power Plant
24 color: 253 @= no owner Cold Fusion Power Plant
25 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Carbon Extractors
26 color: 254 @= no owner Timewarp Restaurant
27 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Garbage Dezintegrators
28 color: 254 @= owner:0 Intergalactic Hotel
29 color: 254 @= owner:0 Cyborg Theatre
31 color: 252 @= owner:2 h:4 Zero Gravity Lab
33 color: 252 @= owner:2 h:4 Spaceport
34 color: 252 @= owner:2 h:4 Interstellar Gate
35 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Silicon Extractors
36 color: 251 @= owner:3 Planetary Marketing
37 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Energy Channeling Center
38 color: 251 @= owner:2 Brainwave Propaganda Stud
39 color: 251 @= owner:0 Brainwave Propaganda Tran
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trade accepted
game: 432499
game is ranked
2009/11/27 05:14:19
players at start: 4
players alive: 3
start money: -950
roll: 749
game time: 82:7
players:
0 hbic points: 6541 position:29 cash: -933 credit: 1610
1 lorraine points:10900 dead
2 bots points: 5875 position: 2 cash: 2632 credit: 710
3 jackminnow points: 5743 position:14 cash: 12 credit: 360
Trade:
From bots to jackminnow
Cash: -700
1 color: 250 @= no owner Nanobot Hospital
2 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Information Network
3 color: 250 @= no owner Cellular Regeneration
5 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Water Extractors
6 color: 249 @= owner:3 h:0 Terraforming Facilities
8 color: 249 @= owner:3 h:0 Rain Generators
9 color: 249 @= owner:3 h:0 Hydroponics Bay
11 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Emotion Market
12 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Brainplug Reality Center
13 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Holo Dome
14 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Pipes
15 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Air Extractors
16 color: 247 @= TAKING owner:3 Antigravitational Transpo
18 color: 247 @= owner:2 Space Elevator
19 color: 247 @= owner:0 Teleportation Control
21 color: 253 @= owner:0 Superconducting Magnetic
22 color: 253 @= owner:0 Anti Matter Power Plant
24 color: 253 @= no owner Cold Fusion Power Plant
25 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Carbon Extractors
26 color: 254 @= no owner Timewarp Restaurant
27 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Garbage Dezintegrators
28 color: 254 @= owner:0 Intergalactic Hotel
29 color: 254 @= owner:0 Cyborg Theatre
31 color: 252 @= owner:2 h:4 Zero Gravity Lab
33 color: 252 @= owner:2 h:4 Spaceport
34 color: 252 @= owner:2 h:4 Interstellar Gate
35 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:4 Silicon Extractors
36 color: 251 @= owner:3 Planetary Marketing
37 color: 150 @= owner:0 tot:4 Energy Channeling Center
38 color: 251 @= owner:2 Brainwave Propaganda Stud
39 color: 251 @= owner:0 Brainwave Propaganda Tra
above two trades r enough to show that bots was helping jack by giving cash at -930 & -950 start to jack for just cyans without making a set for himself which was useless for bolts
for such cheat trades both players points reduced by 50% & warning they should not repeat such trades in future
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:49 am |
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Yiles
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Wait a minute..
I need this one explained better...
Wasn't the trade made in EC?
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:55 am |
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Yes it was in EC. So the cyans would go for low and bots would need a set soon. Bots was going to get Hecki's cyan too. So I don't see the problem here. 
I'll gladly give my 866 (estimate) i won to Hecki and have 136 (aproximentaly) taken from me as I don't want to see hecki mad. I believe 50% is too much as it was still a fair trade. No hard feelings Hecki, we all have ignorant moments. |
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:26 am |
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theunknownamus
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| Post subject: Wait just a gosh-darn minute! |
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sim said | Quote: | street sold his fully build orange set to hussaa + gave him 1000 for green set
as this trade benefit both players to advance their position no action taken |
explain how my and bots advancement in position was taken action against when here was not?  |
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:55 am |
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theunknownamus
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This is best described as a gray trade on bots part. He took a risk by getting cyans and hoped to get Hecki's cyan as well. Though it was risky it was definitely not a cheat trade.  |
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Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:13 pm |
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sim5
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| Post subject: it was a one sided trade |
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bots already was winning that game easily so he gave u cash at -950 for just 1 cyan which was useless ,he did that just to help u
i hope u understand if some1 is already winning easily & he/she trade with any1 just as a nice gesture to help that person its not fair to others who r in that game
dont get upset just try to learn from ur mistakes
thanks
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:01 am |
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For the record, it was the set I wanted to obtain so I could afford to build more as other to expensive. I managed to purchase 2 from Jack, and was also about to send an offer for the 3rd property when Hbic started thinking I was cheating and was rude with his gestures. So I didn;t place that offer to him in the end and he got further upset.
I don't know either of the players, so I can't see what advantage it was for me to assist either player. I'm suprised by the outcome of this. Especially when points have been shaved. Not a fair outcome at all  |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:26 am |
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Kreso said | Quote: | Cooperative play is considered cheating. There are two possibilities, applicable only when more than 3 players are playing:
a) Two players conducted a trade, where the trade is obviously advantageous only for one player.
b) During auction, a player didn't bid the price up despite that being obviously disadvantageous for him. The auction is then won by another player for obviously too low price.
Here "advantageous" means increasing the chance to get better rank at the end of the game. Trades conducted in 3+ player games must be advantageous to both parties involved in trade. |
It was 4 player game, trade was beneficial to both, and it advanced our ranks. Need I say more?
Also Hecki still posed a threat as he had all blacks and a set I can't remember. Bots need to get some extra security to drive final nail in and secure his income. I wish no illwill toward anyone and hope the decision is reversed as soon as possible. |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:05 am |
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sim5
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sorry guys it was a one sided trade which was not required at all by bots as he was wining easily
i just want to say whatever u both r thinking about this trade is wrong & u both must understand trade should be done to improve ur positions in game
when bots was 100% already winning why he gave u money for something he didnt required at all ?
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