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Beretta
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| Post subject: cheat trdes galore |
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Game time 0820 hrs
josey_wales
feeder911
k9rules
mohajohn
ridiculous offers made all game long start at -200 two dark blues sold for 400, josey justified after ec that u can sell for whatever u want total bs game. finally quit due to too much bs |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:45 pm |
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Yiles
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Mutually beneficial trades in EC are ok-
I just learned this rule myself
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:47 pm |
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Beretta
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| 400 for 2 dark blues though? |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:00 pm |
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The following trade offers are the worst from this game:
trade activated
game: 432809
game is ranked
2009/11/28 15:07:54
players at start: 4
players alive: 3
start money: 30
roll: 363
game time: 38:47
players:
0 josey_wales points: 2607 position: 0 cash: 334 credit: 280
1 feeder911 points: 5435 position: 0 cash: 7363 credit: 10502 k9rules points:10563 position:21 cash: -343 credit: 1450
3 MohaJohn points: 7740 dead
Trade:
From feeder911 to k9rules
Cash: -400
1 color: 250 @= owner:0 h:5 Nanobot Hospital
2 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Information Network
3 color: 250 @= owner:0 h:5 Cellular Regeneration
5 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Water Extractors
6 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Terraforming Facilities
8 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Rain Generators
9 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Hydroponics Bay
11 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Emotion Market
12 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Brainplug Reality Center
13 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Holo Dome
14 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Pipes
15 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Air Extractors
16 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Antigravitational Transpo
18 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Space Elevator
19 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Teleportation Control
21 color: 253 @= owner:1 Superconducting Magnetic
22 color: 253 @= owner:1 Anti Matter Power Plant
24 color: 253 @= TAKING owner:2 Cold Fusion Power Plant25 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Carbon Extractors
26 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:1 Timewarp Restaurant
27 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Garbage Dezintegrators
28 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:1 Intergalactic Hotel
29 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:1 Cyborg Theatre
31 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:2 Zero Gravity Lab
33 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:2 Spaceport
34 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:2 Interstellar Gate
35 color: 194 @= owner:1 tot:1 Silicon Extractors
36 color: 251 @= no owner Planetary Marketing
37 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Energy Channeling Center
38 color: 251 @= no owner Brainwave Propaganda Stud
39 color: 251 @= no owner Brainwave Propaganda Tran
This is a trade offer of both credit value and base value only when feeder has stacks of cash. Not beneficial to K9rules
trade activated
game: 432809
game is ranked
2009/11/28 15:11:50
players at start: 4
players alive: 3
start money: 10
roll: 423
game time: 42:42
players:
0 josey_wales points: 2607 position:27 cash: 1844 credit: 280
1 feeder911 points: 5435 position:38 cash: 7073 credit: 1250
2 k9rules points:10563 position: 8 cash: 45 credit: 14503 MohaJohn points: 7740 dead
Trade:
From feeder911 to k9rules
Cash: 400
1 color: 250 @= owner:0 h:5 Nanobot Hospital
2 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Information Network
3 color: 250 @= owner:0 h:5 Cellular Regeneration
5 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Water Extractors
6 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Terraforming Facilities
8 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Rain Generators
9 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Hydroponics Bay
11 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Emotion Market
12 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Brainplug Reality Center
13 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Holo Dome
14 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Pipes
15 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Air Extractors
16 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Antigravitational Transpo
18 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Space Elevator
19 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Teleportation Control
21 color: 253 @= GIVING owner:1 Superconducting Magnetic
22 color: 253 @= GIVING owner:1 Anti Matter Power Plant24 color: 253 @= owner:2 Cold Fusion Power Plant
25 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Carbon Extractors
26 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:2 Timewarp Restaurant
27 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Garbage Dezintegrators
28 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:2 Intergalactic Hotel
29 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:2 Cyborg Theatre
31 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:3 Zero Gravity Lab
33 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:3 Spaceport
34 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:3 Interstellar Gate
35 color: 194 @= owner:1 tot:1 Silicon Extractors
36 color: 251 @= no owner Planetary Marketing
37 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Energy Channeling Center
38 color: 251 @= owner:1 Brainwave Propaganda Stud
39 color: 251 @= no owner Brainwave Propaganda Tran
Giving 2 dark blues prior to EC. Base value of 2 blue and credit value is 800 alone. This trade offer was for 400!
trade accepted
game: 432809
game is ranked
2009/11/28 15:17:10
players at start: 4
players alive: 3
start money: -205
roll: 490
game time: 48:3
players:
0 josey_wales points: 2607 position:13 cash: 1524 credit: 6801 feeder911 points: 5435 position: 9 cash: 6033 credit: 14502 k9rules points:10563 position:14 cash: 601 credit: 1050
3 MohaJohn points: 7740 dead
Trade:
From feeder911 to josey_wales
Cash: 400
1 color: 250 @= owner:0 h:5 Nanobot Hospital
2 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Information Network
3 color: 250 @= owner:0 h:5 Cellular Regeneration
5 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Water Extractors
6 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Terraforming Facilities
8 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Rain Generators
9 color: 249 @= owner:2 h:5 Hydroponics Bay
11 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Emotion Market
12 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Brainplug Reality Center
13 color: 248 @= owner:2 h:4 Holo Dome
14 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Pipes
15 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Air Extractors
16 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Antigravitational Transpo
18 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Space Elevator
19 color: 247 @= owner:0 h:5 Teleportation Control
21 color: 253 @= GIVING owner:1 Superconducting Magnetic
22 color: 253 @= GIVING owner:1 Anti Matter Power Plant
24 color: 253 @= owner:0 Cold Fusion Power Plant
25 color: 194 @= owner:2 tot:3 Carbon Extractors
26 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:5 Timewarp Restaurant
27 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Garbage Dezintegrators
28 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:5 Intergalactic Hotel
29 color: 254 @= owner:2 h:5 Cyborg Theatre
31 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:3 Zero Gravity Lab
33 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:3 Spaceport
34 color: 252 @= owner:0 h:3 Interstellar Gate
35 color: 194 @= owner:1 tot:1 Silicon Extractors
36 color: 251 @= owner:1 Planetary Marketing
37 color: 150 @= owner:1 tot:4 Energy Channeling Center
38 color: 251 @= owner:1 Brainwave Propaganda Stud
39 color: 251 @= no owner Brainwave Propaganda Tran
This was the giving of 2 Dark blue making a set in EC (start -205). I cannot see the benefit of this trade to feeder. Credit value of the 2 is 800. They were sold for 400! Yes on passing start if using credit you are charged 20%. I cannot see how this trade was mutually beneficial. This is like exchanging 800 credit for 400 cash or vice versa.
Therefore a cheat trade.
I am getting fed up of warning feeder/nilo about their trading offers etc. I have given enough warnings. Therefore points on both accounts owned by them are to be reduced down to 1000.
josey_wales 50% point reduction for accepting the trade of 2 dark blue for 400. |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:08 pm |
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Beretta
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| ty for ur time |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:22 pm |
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Nilo911
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| trace567 wrote: |
I cannot see the benefit of this trade to feeder. Credit value of the 2 is 800.
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My opinion is that this decision is incorrect. Trace, you explained me :''A trade being MUTUALLY BENEFICAL TO BOTH PLAYERS
With EXPECTED chance that this trade CAN IMPROVE both players chance of gaining a higher end rank within the game.'' At that point of the game I would finish the game 3rd. Making the trade with the two blues josey_wales had benefit from that trade because he improved his credit. Despite the fact that my credit was lowered I got 200 in cash and was able to buy ,in low price, the 3rd green and comlete. As I see it ,it was beneficial both from me and josey_wales.
After all I was the one who made the offer and I did finish 2nd.So both players improved their rank. |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:00 pm |
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Ok then, I request Sim also have a look at this trade and see what he thinks.
Personally I cannot see the benefit of giving away more credit than you gain in cash from the trade. 800 credit for 400 cash. |
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:33 pm |
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Yiles
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I ain't saying a thing
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Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:45 pm |
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Yiles
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You know what? I am going to say something.
So trading two purples (which are easily upgraded) for 1000 is ok?
But not getting two blues for the sole purpose of credit (I never even upgraded them, as they are THE MOST EXPENSIVE to upgrade).
As the other guy said- he was collecting money, I wanted credit. We made a deal. And it helped us both in the game. And it was in EC.
I'd be mad about this complaint if it weren't so comical...and ironic
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Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:28 am |
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| Quote: | This was the giving of 2 Dark blue making a set in EC (start -205). I cannot see the benefit of this trade to feeder. Credit value of the 2 is 800. They were sold for 400! Yes on passing start if using credit you are charged 20%. I cannot see how this trade was mutually beneficial. This is like exchanging 800 credit for 400 cash or vice versa.
Therefore a cheat trade. |
what trace said is 100% correct
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Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:04 am |
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Nilo911
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After the trade of two blues:
Was josey_wales benefited? Yes he was.
Why?Because he got credit from the trade.
Was I benefited from the trade? Yes I was.
Why? Because I got money that helped me buy the 3rd green and completed my set.
Did josey_wales improve his position? Yes he did.
Why? Because he finished 1st
Did I improve my position? Yes I did.
Why? I didnt finish 3rd ,I finished 2nd.
Both me and josey_wales were happy about the trade and got a better position in the game.
I feel like Im in trial for my own death, except that I didnt kill myself I saved him and extended my life...  |
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Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:07 am |
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Nilo911
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| trace567 wrote: |
Personally I cannot see the benefit of giving away more credit than you gain in cash from the trade. 800 credit for 400 cash. |
The answer is simple: I used the money to buy the 3rd green and complete the set. |
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Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:58 am |
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Yiles
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Don't worry Nilo, I'm sure the rules will change again tomorrow 
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Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:08 pm |
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sim5
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selling 2 dark blues for 400 didnt benefit u atl all
it was useful to josey only as he got 800 worth of credit by spending 400 cash
with this trade u lost (cash+credit) value by 400 when there was no need for u to trade as u was cash rich
u came 2nd not because of this trade but may be as u said u got 3rd green later on which saved u from 3rd position
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Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:39 pm |
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Nilo911
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The 200 I got from this trade helped me to obtain the 3rd green.
Beacause I got more cash and lowered josey_wales's cash so he couldnt block me.
The result is that I got the green in a cheap price and had money even to upgrade 
I would like to know if by questioning your decisions I will get banned or be treated more strictly in the future.If thats the case then I wont post any more replies |
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