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Magflag12
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For anyone who feels that they can get away with abusive language to newer players when mods are not around... You are dead wrong.
I have decided that I will spend 1hr-2hrs just reading chat logs EVERY day. If I see overly abusive language I will act on it and you will be punished.
Let me remind you that your chat is constantly being watched, and racist or disgusting language will be punished.
Its time that people stop getting away with these things.
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If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them.
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Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:14 pm |
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how about deformation of character
constant accusations to many
disrespect towards all moderaters
the list goes on
you know who it is and what needs to be done
be a man magflag for once |
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Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:36 pm |
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| Yoda wrote: | | Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will. |
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Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:18 pm |
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Magflag12
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All players who abuse will be warned and/or informed that the are/will be/being punished for their transgressions. All warnings will be private, but if the problem persists the punishment will be announced for all to see (in most cases).
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If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. |
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:16 am |
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| judd wrote: | | how about deformation of character |
I think you mean "defamation". Deformation of character is however what you seem to be suffering from, but that is no fault of mine.
Do you understand it when I post? |
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:48 am |
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Crabbs and Judd...
I am watching as two great players fight it out for no good reason. There will be a time, very very soon, where you are both going to find yourselves alone in your own lonesome dispositions against each other. It really is destroying some of the community, you two.
Crabbs... No one else seems to be having a problem with Judd, this should be a sign (to BOTH of you) that you guys are being a bit ridiculous. It really is only you two who are having problems with EITHER one of you, and SO this is just a silly fight. If a large majority of people were having problems with Judd or Crabbs, then we might be able to point blame at ONE of you, but because both of you are fighting each other with no one else really picking sides, it seems you are both in the wrong.
Anyway, very soon the both of you are going to get slapped by a (or all) of the mod(s). If Bill, Trace, or any one else on modship feel you are destructing the community (which you both are) we will not hesitate to ban you.
That being said, I suggest both of you either kiss and make up and LEAVE IT BEHIND YOU... OR.... Just ignore each other until you guys both cool off.
Both of you are adults and we all enjoy having around. It would be a crying shame if you guys go banned because you couldn't leave your grudge behind you and play on.
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:09 am |
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| Magflag12 wrote: | | If a large majority of people were having problems with Judd or Crabbs, then we might be able to point blame at ONE of you, but because both of you are fighting each other with no one else really picking sides, it seems you are both in the wrong. |
I was thanked by about a half dozen regular players who I don't usually speak to for making the complaint that got Judd dismissed. Opinion from those players was that he was a bully as a mod, using his position to talk down to "noobs", which seemed to include anyone without at least 4 times his point score who refused to kiss his ****.
| Magflag12 wrote: | | Anyway, very soon the both of you are going to get slapped by a (or all) of the mod(s). If Bill, Trace, or any one else on modship feel you are destructing the community (which you both are) we will not hesitate to ban you. |
At the root of this is that fact that Judd DID do wrong, Judd WAS banned, and yet Judd WON'T drop it.
I can't be expected to sit idly while Judd tries his ACME tricks to try to get back at me. It's plain that the only thing Judd regrets is that he was punished, not the actions he took.
I followed all the appropriate channels to complain at Judd, and was found to be in the right. Yet he continues to meddle, preventing debate on areas I have posted on, and fomenting hatred at GM. All this in spite of having been granted a new identity to help him move on.
I have said before to you Maggy and I will repeat it - right is right and sitting on the fence is in such cases not the best option.
FACT - Judd was guilty of abusing his position.
FACT - Judd was given a new identity to move on. This was a privilege not granted to most players found guilty of corrupting the game.
FACT - He has used this as cover to ***** about me.
FACT - He has also insulted me in forum and to anyone who will listen ever since the incident. His latest slur is to call me a cancer, not a mild insult and one I felt it right to respond to. Check the chronology, you will see that he started the latest bout of this feud with that term of abuse.
FACT - He refuses to accept he did wrong in any meaningful way - every apology or recognition of wrong he has made is soon followed by a contradiction. Even while on his ban Judd made a limp attempt to get his ban cut short, thinking himself special.
And finally, my OPINION - that if player A is found guilty but given a second chance, and he takes that as an opportunity to continue in his bad old ways, he should expect a further ban. And also, that if player B who was a victim of his abuse of powers, refuses to allow him to rewrite history in his favour, or seek revenge, then that player should be supported.
Judd's various attempts at payback are as obvious as they are pathetic. I simply refuse to allow him to get away with that. Nor will I allow it to be falsely said that we are each as bad as each other - I am responding to what he has said, comments he should never have made. |
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:14 am |
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See below
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:18 am |
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Ok Crabbs I will give my opinion on this matter.
Do know that I value you as a friend, but I can't just pick your side when you are just as much in the wrong as he is. This is not riding the fence Crabbs, this is scolding two grown men who cannot act their shoe-size (assuming your shoe-size is less than 15)
| Quote: | At the root of this is that fact that Judd DID do wrong, Judd WAS banned, and yet Judd WON'T drop it.
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Yes crabbs that is right, HOWEVER, you are also guilty of egging it on and NOT LETTING it go. If you like I will literally go to different forum posts and quote you and judd going at it relentlessly, both of you in the wrong.
| Quote: | I followed all the appropriate channels to complain at Judd, and was found to be in the right. Yet he continues to meddle, preventing debate on areas I have posted on, and fomenting hatred at GM. All this in spite of having been granted a new identity to help him move on.
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Again, both of you are guilty of this. If you like I will give you hard evidence.
| Quote: | | I have said before to you Maggy and I will repeat it - right is right and sitting on the fence is in such cases not the best option. |
Right is right? How about wrong is wrong? Is it not possible for 2 people to be in the wrong at the same time? It is, and it is happening right now.
| Quote: | FACT - Judd was guilty of abusing his position.
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Yep. The key word there is "WAS". Its time you both let it go. That goes for both of you.
| Quote: | | FACT - He has used this as cover to ***** about me. |
Yes, Judd should know that all mods can see what he writes. However, he does not b**** about you in the lobby, for I certainly have not seen it. Things like this happen, and it certainly is not mature, but tell me if you are not guilty of the same, and I will simply not believe you.
| Quote: | FACT - He refuses to accept he did wrong in any meaningful way - every apology or recognition of wrong he has made is soon followed by a contradiction. Even while on his ban Judd made a limp attempt to get his ban cut short, thinking himself special.
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This is something you are guilty of to. Your apologies are rare and also face the same contradiction.
| Quote: | Judd's various attempts at payback are as obvious as they are pathetic. I simply refuse to allow him to get away with that. Nor will I allow it to be falsely said that we are each as bad as each other - I am responding to what he has said, comments he should never have made.
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This is what you need to realize Crabbs, you are losing this battle everytime you type your little smart comment back. What I see happening is this getting out of hand and yuo are BOTH banned. However, if you shut your mouth and let Judd say those little hurtful things to you, you would see Judd getting banned and you stay happily in a world of GM.
All I see Crabbs is a grown man pointing fingers at another man saying "He did it first". This is hardly how you deal with conflicts.
BOTH OF YOU DROP IT OR ELSE.
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:50 am |
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I have to say that I find your view, that Judd and I are equally in the wrong, an absurd one. Your position seems to be that words speak louder than actions, so much so that the fact Judd's actions were damnable is to you irrelevent.
| Magflag12 wrote: | | BOTH OF YOU DROP IT OR ELSE. |
This is a misguided scattergun attempt at justice Maggy. Judd would gladly accept a ban if it got me banned too. He is a desperate man. You play into his hands and invite argument. Like a terrorist Judd would happily blow himself up if he could catch a single hair on my chin in the blast.
There is a sad assymettry at work here. No player who is found guilty of using vulgar language or systemmatically cheating is given the kind of extended right to reply that Judd has had for an arguably more serious crime. Nor are they permitted to come to forum and continue to abuse their victims. Indeed such behaviour is regularly met with an immediate increase in punishment. And noone who has been the target of filthy language, or who has been cheated, is expected to shut up before the guilty party has done.
Think how you would behave if Judd was a criminal of a more common variety. You would have slapped a ban extension on him at the merest sign of continued abuse. But in this case you think you can treat the victim and the perpetrator the same, and threaten me with the same. It is unprecedented, and you appear lost in the fog.
You would do well to know who your friends are Magflag and give them some loyalty. Judd's friend Sim sticks by him regardless of Judd's crime. In you, I am blessed with a friend who will tell me me I am wrong when he thinks so. But you would do well to disentangle your thinking on this subject, and stop giving Judd the benefit of the doubt as an ex-mod, when he should be treated as a GM criminal.
| Magflag12 wrote: | | If you like I will literally go to different forum posts and quote you and judd going at it relentlessly |
If YOU like will go and find examples of the short shrift you give to more common GM criminals than Judd, and demonstrate that you are giving him more slack than a clown's trousers.
If you are attempting to view this impartially, then you have missed the mark utterly.
It is also a cheap shot you take by characterising my argument as "he started it". This is little short of a war, and in a war it is typically the case that whoever started it, is responsible for it. Would you say that the Czechs and Nazis were equally responsible for the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia? I mean, just because the Germans started it doesn't justify the Czechs fighting back.
It's a lame argument that deserves little attention. Fact is he did start this round of hostilities, and fact is rather than punishing that you threaten to punish me along with him. He'll be loving this mockery of GM justice.
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:41 am |
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Look, Judd committed a horrible act. He was banned 40 days for it.
I do not deny the fact that he was wrong in his actions in the past. HOWEVER, he served his penalty that was given to him, if he is banned again it will likely be because he refused to let go of a feud between him and another player. Does this make sense?
Did I honestly give you the impression that I was backing Judd for his past transgressions? Did I even say that you were equally wrong with him in the past?
No, Crabbs, what I am telling you is that when you respond to his instigations he wins and he loses. You pointed out exactly what I was saying to you before...
| Quote: | | Judd would gladly accept a ban if it got me banned too. |
While I do not believe Judd would accept a ban in order to get you banned, I do believe that you risk that possible result. What I mean by that is that you will lose NO MATTER what if you keep on with this endless fight with Judd. NO ONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE of players both mod and and non-mod alike appreciate you and Judd bickering on about a grudge. And so, if you keep responding to Judd when Judd throws an insult your way you are like the kid who punched back in school. You will be thrown in some sort of isolation for fighting, it does not matter who punched who first.
Take the insults like a man, and I can gurantee that if Judd does not stop he alone will be banned and you will win your fight that way. Otherwise you will both lose... or if for some odd reason Judd feels satisfied with being banned so long as you are too, you will lose and Judd will win.
I just cannot believe that you cannot see the logic behind shutting your little pie-hole. Its not hard.
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:57 am |
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| Quote: | | you are like the kid who punched back in school. You will be thrown in some sort of isolation for fighting, it does not matter who punched who first. |
1. I always punch back.
2. I don't know what school you went to, but at mine, punching back was expected. Any teacher who expects you not to would have been laughed out of town.
3. If you don't want me to punch Judd, try dealing with him yourself and saving me the trouble. And try treating him like the common criminal he is. |
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:15 am |
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He made an awful offense Crabbs, but for me to treat him like a criminal for the rest of his existence defeats the purpose of having mods.
Mods are not here to JUST punish people. Punishment should also be a rehabilitation period, and for me to ride Judd off as a criminal forever because of one thing would defeat my purpose.
I have dealt with Judd, the message I have been sending to you is also being said to Judd. I am only responding to what your saying because you are the one complaining about it. Bottum line here, you BOTH need to knock it off before your both going to regret it.
Do you honestly feel like you cannot get past this conflict with Judd, Crabbs?
And by the way, the school I went to taught me that the best way to handle conflict is to not punch back, because a "bully" only wants you to punch back.My father also taught me when I hit a bully back, the bully wins. Mind you, my father is an atheist like you. So turning the other cheek and its religious allocations was out of the question for him, he just told me out of his own moral compass that he has been taught as a child. My father is moral and all my morals have come from my father, as a majority. My religion has only backed up what my father has taught me all along.
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:55 am |
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I really don't see this as complicated. Judd is a cheat who abused his power. We continue to argue, he for reasons noone knows, I because he is a corrupt cheat who carries a vendetta against me.
So you can punish Judd for continuing with a groundless vendetta, despite having already been punished, or you can punish me for responding, in those threads and others. I am making fair comment (he tried to ban me for nothing, remember, and has since hatched various lame plots like an unfunny version of Wiley Kyote) and reminding him that he is a criminal (which he is).
Punishing the lunatic with a vendetta seems the best course of action. Punishing the player who was the victim seems, well, backwards. The fact that I am the kind of victim who mocks and ridicules my attacker is neither here nor there. |
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Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:56 am |
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Agree magflag, I asked you to step up and you did, I like that.
No further comments about crabbs from me.
However, any attacks on me i would appreciate appropriate action.
Thanks for your time, appreciate it. |
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