[MrCrabbs]

230 on clock, noone has any money except ingeras, who has 4700 or so.

Ingeras is waiting on last red, and would have bought it unopposed. Noone had any threatening properties so she was free to go round and round till she hit it.

Instead, she pays 1700 for a yellow that sim had bought 5 minutes earlier for 900, when she showed no interest in it.

Ingeras went on to win the game, and so I can't say that in reality it didn't benefit her. But at the time, it took her from clear 1st place down back into the mix, and meant she could be blocked on red, a set which is twice as powerful. It lifted sim out of all his worries, and allowed him to buy 3rd white and block matthew and I.

I do not expect this to be classed as a cheat. But it is remarkable that ingeras and sim playing together always results in other players getting frozen out. In effect, they go into 4 and 5 player games as a 2-person team. There is no way matthew or I would have been offered 1700 for that yellow, had we bought it instead of sim.

Again, I lose to a sim/ingeras combo.

[ingeras]

Crabb i will not fight with u i will wait for mods to check that , i dont think that was a bad trade to take yellow for 1700 on 230 , u lose , u got angry that is another problem...
And what is the problem if i play sim always in 4/5 p???? what is bad in that? players who played us can came and say their opinion if i am cheating with sim, trace raghav plz confirm that ,, we played several times toghether have u noticed that i am teaming with sim.????
Crabby when players like sim play they play to win to fight and kill u not to help u, like that are playing all the good players here.
i really dont see any sense for ur post crabby, all here know me as a fair player never cheated , and always trying to be friendly with all.
I will not say no more BILL ,TRACE plz check the game for crabb and if u see something wrong, i am ready for all what will happen.

[trace567]

ingeras had 3293 cash.

I do not see this as a cheat trade. It was beneficial to both players, and a fair price for 2nd yellow at that stage imo.

[MrCrabbs]

Not correct, Ingeras definitely had 4000, almost 5000. But if she had 3200 that would make it even more generousm she wouldn't have been ableto upgrade!!!

EDIT:
It was 3293 I am mistaken. I do hold the vioew that neither of the other players on the game would have got such a generous price for yellow from ingeras, and I think that because I have played a fair few games with sim anding.

But I accept I was wrong about how much money players had at the time, and I may well be wrong that ingeras wouldnn't have paid this to me or matthiew. Other players who have played with sim and ing can judge for themselves.

Just to say I hold no grudge over this nor did I have one before. I have talked a lot with ingeras and likeher very much. But my view is as stated. Apologies.

[judd]

[CYN]

Although i dont care for the way sim trades and rarely trade with him i also dont like the way you trade crabbs. It is beneficial to both usually however it benefits you twice as much as the other it seems so i turn them down and will continue to do so.
Ingeras is a very fair player i have played with her several times. And I still feel that not trading with another player hoping it will make him go out and better or guarantee my position is very fair. You are very good crabbs and a threat on 4/5p games therefore many will probably trade differently with you than someone else. That does not constitute teaming.
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[MrCrabbs]

Thank you for the compliments CYN. I am getting over the defeat - so long as I am allowed to vent a little!

Once again apologies to Ingeras, since I mean no insult. I just say what I see, and 1700 was too generous. Sim was in no position to demand that much, and with him, matthew and I all in a complex blocking game against eachother, giving him that 1700 effectively lifted Sim out from the quagmire. 1700 could have got you a lot more bang for your buck - you could have bought the yellow yorself for half the price 2 mins earlier.

[Bill2k06]

i quit the game today because i felt at the timei was being blocked, nd i didnt want to trade the opposite of what i proposed,
my tournament chance were scuppered because of one trade but i have nt c\ome here and vented anger nor disbelief that oneplayer would ruin my tournament , insteAD o take it on the chin,and live to battle till next tourny, next time may be different or he same but i i feel i was destined to win the tourny today,
end of discussion about this, as i dont see anyone at all benefitting from my post,.

as for my literature, im writing hereafter being on alcohol for last 10 hrs and i am, in regret now as my head is bangin
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[ingeras]

Thanks Trace for the time u passed checking our game, thanx Judd and Cyn for support.

[trace567]

Anytime ingeras.

[MrCrabbs]

I just want to say that I withdraw FULLY this accusation.

Ingeras has told me that since this she has been accused of cheating by various players who read my complaint here. This is ruining her enjoyment of GM.

Ingeras and sim did not in my view cheat at all here. Ingeras is one of the kindest and fairest players on GM. She has explained to me that the high price she paid for yellow was because of a game she had played earlier that day, where failure to pick up a second set caused her to lose. She was determined this game to pick up a second set and willing to pay high money for it.

I really am very sorry to ingeras and to sim for this accusation. I made it in anger on a day where a hundred different problems had struck me in the tournament. I hope they can accept this apology and other players understand that I do withdraw it 100%.

On tournaments
Tournaments have given a lot of players a lot of fun since at GM. But on this day a lot of players had a bad tournament experience, myself and ingeras included. I have critiqued the way this one was set up (I described it as a game of "dodge fourth") and more generally have critiqued the effect of large prizes on the GM points system. I do genuinely feel these are problems, and I hope players will put aside their differences to try to come up with a new and improved tournament points system.

I hope that all GM players will see that I want to improve tournaments for GM and will put a big effort into debating how to make tournaments as good as they can be. Noone should stand by the status quo set-up without good reason, or for petty reasons, nor refuse to participate in the debates I have started for improving tournaments. They are made in good faith and I hope everyone will contribute to them in the same spirit.

If the posts I have made about tournament systems are too long or technical I am sorry. But if you are able to read and understand them, your opinion is very much wanted. If we can find a new system it will need to be a simple one everyone can understand. But analysing the effects of tournaments and deciding how they should be does in my view need a bit of hard work. It is also I think worth it.

[judd]

This guy crabbs is a cancer to the game, remove him and we can live without all this childishness.

[palabra]

i disagree judd....

crabbs has brought up a lot of good points of improvement for the game. at times, yes, i have been frustrated with him, but he genuinely cares about the good of GM. don't let a little feud between you and him obscure your vision on the matter.

and you guys, eventually one of you is going to have to step up, be the maturer person, and quit babbling back and forth like little babies. as soon as one of you chooses to let it die, it will be over.
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[ingeras]

Well, i said when that topic was done that will not write anymore on it but here i am again...
First of all thank you MrCrabb that u bring it back and u said what u have to said, i dont know if that will help me because things was done and it will be hard to others to forget that.
After that tourny a lot of tings changed to me , if i could turn back time i wish i have never played, since then my problems begin, i am accused all time of teaming , i have quit several games when this accusation was raised by some players who have listened to you or read ur topic.
I really dont care about points or about winning or losing , i hate cheting an d teaming i really like this game and i play just for fun and to pass good time, here i have made some good friends , few of them are friends on a personal level. Thursday i was about to quit the game for ever ,that problem was raised in 2 games and no fun was there , but due to my good friends i changed my mind.
MrCrabbs your apology is accepted, i want to open a new page, and like i told u before i forgave u but was so hard to forget with some players accusing me of teaming or cheating.
I dont have any problem with u, and i know that u was angry then and when people have bad days they can make mistakes.So i want to open a new page and to bring fun again to our games..
I am sorry for my bad English hope that i make my self understood.
Have a nice day
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[MrCrabbs]

Yep understood perfectly.

Hopefully this post will go a long way to ending those cheat accusations from other players, but you have to be as strong as you can be because we all get wrongly accused sometimes. It is a necessary consequence of there being cheat trades that sometimes players are wrongly accused.

You must know that you have lots of friends on GM who would hate for you to leave. You are the kind of player EVERYONE wants at GM.