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Would you like games where you bet your points
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:30 pm
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i dont have an answer for that, as that is something which i have left for all of us to discuss what we think should happen, and then let kreso read all of our thoughts and see what he would like to implement IF he would actually do this, for all we know, Kreso may not be able to implement this and so it would be a no go anyway .

but back to what you said there about would there be a minimum of the bet, i think maybe if 4 players bet 20k and the 5th player bet 4k then i think we should have the average amount bet divided by two to give minimum bet, which in this instance would work out as:-

Player 1 = 20k
Player 2 = 20k
Player 3 = 20k
Player 4 = 20k
Player 5 = 5k
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average 85k divided by 5 = 17k divided by 2 = 8.5k as minimum bet.

Does this make sense?
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:21 pm
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Well, what if you have 5 ppl all bet 20k, then the avg bet / 2 = 10k
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense there, now does it?

Maybe just take numerical average of the 5 bets, and the minimum of that, and the lowest players max bet...

if it's 4x 20k + 5k, and the max bet = 8k, then it would be 8k.
If it's 4x 20k + 5k, and the max bet = 20k +, then it would be 17k.
If you can afford to bet it, and you're in with the big boys, you risk it.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:46 pm
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i think this is definately the best option we have agreed on upto now.

all we need now is Kreso to come and have a look , see what he thinks, and then if possible we may have a new implementation into the game
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:52 am
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after a lengthy chat with Kreso, i agree with his view that this idea is not possible and not ethical.
The scoring system now, is a bit of maths, that does actually show the true top 1000 (or how ever many player we have) as where my idea, would create a league of possible good gamblers,.
example:-

in roulette a good betting system would be to bet 1 on red, then next time bet 2 on red, then 4 on red, then 8 etc, until red came out. thus thus creating your winnings to be 3to2 paid out.
so the same thing could happen in GM , people will go 5 games beaten and know that they expect to win within the next couple of games, so they start to up their bets to recover what was lost in first few games.

so when people actually bet this way, they would be ranked on how good their gambling skills are NOT how good they are at GM, so for this reason alone i do not like my idea anymore;.
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:33 pm
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I definitely think that this would allow for "gambling" as part of GM, which isn't part of the original Kreso credo.

And I'm all for NOT changing the scoring system. We have monthly tourneys where players can risk a small point value (2.5k) for a decent reward (20k +/-). Other than the tourneys, I agree that the rest of the games should use the mathematical formula that Kreso has developed. I think it works well, and keeps players scores approximately in the range that they play.

That said, I don't think that the "doubling bet" theory for Roulette will work the same way here.
The downfall to the Roulette theory is that you have to be able to double indefinitely until you win, and the table has a limit.
Say the limit is 100, and you start betting 1, 2, 4, 8... after the 7th bet (64), you can't double to 128 any more, and you can't dig yourself out of your hole. Then, the house wins. In addition, let's say that the table limit was 1000 and you could start at 1. After the 10th bet, you bet 512, and lost, would you really be willing to bet 1024 to win $1?

Now, re: controlled betting in GM, you can't have the same control over your bets because whether you bet 1k or 50k points, the total bet for the game would be the average bets of all of the players.

Anyway, as you said, we're putting this topic to rest, as gambling is not going to be encouraged on GM. Smile

Have a great day, and thanks for the in depth thought process.
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:00 pm
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and for this reason, this is why its always good to put ideas to the community, because the idea all sounded very good to implement but then when it gets thought about, then the ideas doesnt seem as to good to implement.
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:01 pm
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Well, hopefully, Kreso will still consider the "purchase and return to start" after EC enhancement. Smile
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:07 pm
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yes, i think it should be implemented .
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:24 pm
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i vote no Embarassed lol only one i supose its a gd idea but i would b guted if i lost loads of point and i kinda lik it the way it is!?! it puts a bit of a suprise into the game you dont know how many points ull get and wen u gt them ur happy!?! Confused Question Exclamation Question
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:32 pm
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I am against this idea, because ranking is supposed to reflect the skill of players, and implementing this would indead make GM like a Casino.

That's not to say that I feel the ranking is perfect as it is now. I think the difference between points people with low ranks win with points that high ranks win or loose are too high.

And the 100 pnt bonus you get for playing a game at least 15 minutes is far too low for the high ranks using this scoring system.

Mostly, i think the rating for 2p games compared to 3/4/5p games are out of balans. Most of the times, I find finishing 2nd in a 4p much more of an achievement than winning a 2p game. Still, finishing 2nd in 4p's hardly wins you any points most of times, while winning 2p games always wins you points.
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Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:14 pm
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Popovitsj wrote:
I am against this idea, because ranking is supposed to reflect the skill of players, and implementing this would indead make GM like a Casino.


Lol, GM a casino. How would it be? lol Wink
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:33 am
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I would personally love a gm casino as i am underage and wont be caught doing it on this game lol.

But looking back on this topic Its intresting of how much debate madmac put in. Also the fact that now the bidding player goes back to start after ec.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:53 am
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muffinhead wrote:
I would personally love a gm casino as i am underage and wont be caught doing it on this game lol.


Sssshhhttt. Somebody can hear you. lol Laughing
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