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Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:46 pm |
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Bill2k06 Ex Moderator
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I was thinking of this for some time now, and after talking to a few people i think it could work out well.
As where the current scoring system is all about percentage, of current points, against opponents points time the base. i was thinking of a different way.
How about before you go in a game you have the option of:-0
Option A- Game plays original scoring system with original gameplay,
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Option B- Game plays with new scoring system which is , player before game starts where you choose 2or3or4or5 player games, you have option of how many points you willing to bet that you will win.
So if you think you are going to win a game and very confident , say for example you are on 23000points and your opponent is on 10000 you can ONLY bet as many points as your opponent has, that you will win game.
So if Player A has 23000points and Player B has 10000.
Player A can bet a maximum of 10000points that he'll win as where Player B can ONLY bet maximum of 9000points (player has to keep a minimum of 1000points) but if player loses they will lose ALL the points they bet,
I think this could make quite a few places within the top ten change around.
An example of this , is Carrie played boogaboo when he was on 80k and ONLY won 9k off him, (she was on 18k before the win) but if she had bet ALL her points she wouldve won 17k off him and boogaboo wouldve probably bet the full 18k that he wouldve beat carrie, so his points wouldve been amended to 62k points. _________________
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:19 pm |
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carrieann06 Star
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yes i think this is a great idea x x _________________ love is completely being with someone, even when they arent with you, no matter what happens, ill always be here x x |
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:39 pm |
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MadMACS Moon
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I'm not sure how this works out....
Are you saying that the lowest point player of a game bids how many points that they are willing to risk on the game, and then all higher point players must match that number?
How are the points awarded in a 3-4-5p game? Is it always winner take all? Are you trying to create mini-tournaments?
The main concern I see is an "all-in" crashing people's points to 1000.
If a 40k plays a 60k, and the wager is 30k, that's a huge point swing regardless of the outcome.
And would Carrie have really been willing to risk 17k points on the chance to double against a power house like Booga? |
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:59 pm |
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carrieann06 Star
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lol yes i would as points come and go, if you lose them they come back just as easily, _________________ love is completely being with someone, even when they arent with you, no matter what happens, ill always be here x x |
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:39 pm |
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Bill2k06 Ex Moderator
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the bet your points would only be able to work in 2player games as in 3,4,5 you would have to play them to win.
only way i see possible to work this into 3,4,5 player games would be , win all points if you came 5th in a 5player, win half points for 2nd and a 3rd of points if finish 3rd, and then work out that calculus for the other games. _________________
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:27 am |
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lol win all points for comin 5th???
you mean:-
5 player-- 5th place lose all points
4th place lose half the points
3rd place win or lose nothing
2nd place win half points
1st win full amount of points
4 player-- 4th place lose all points
3rd place lose half points
2nd place win half points
1st place win all points
3 player-- 3rd place lose all points
2nd place win or lose nothing
1st place win all points
i suppose it is a lot for kreso to implament into the game but if it is possible then i think this would be a great idea _________________ love is completely being with someone, even when they arent with you, no matter what happens, ill always be here x x |
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:04 am |
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Sounds like a good ideea.
But let's leave it up to Kreso. ) _________________
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:36 pm |
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MadMACS Moon
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But do all players have to bet the same # of points?
Carrie's breakdown makes sense to me, though.
If it's a 5k point venture, and a 5p game, each player is "risking" 5k points. The results would be -5k, -2.5k, 0, +2.5k, +5k (net points stay the same).
You could still throw in the +100 for 10 minutes of play time, so that over time, the total net points in the game increases slowly. |
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:40 pm |
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i think its a great idea..................
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:07 pm |
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Bill2k06 Ex Moderator
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what you have just said there is exactly what i was trying to say,
BUT
to make it more interesting you can have everyone bets there own amount, BUT everyone can ONLY bet upto 1000less than the least points player for example:-
In a 5player game the person with least points is on 5000points , then everyone can ONLY bet anything upto 4000points.
does this make sense now? _________________
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:42 pm |
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carrieann06 Star
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yes so you can bet what you wish n everyones points will be corrected to what they bet _________________ love is completely being with someone, even when they arent with you, no matter what happens, ill always be here x x |
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:04 pm |
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MadMACS Moon
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I'm not sure if "bet what you want" works.
Let's say we've got 5 players, min player = 5k, max player = 25k (still following the 5x rule)
Points:
A 5k
B 11k
C 16k
D 21k
E 25K
Bets are A 4k, B 10k, C 15k, D 20k, E 20k (why would the 25k player bet more than the max bet?
Now, let's say that the finish was:
A 1st, B 2nd, C 3rd, D 4th, E 5th
A would gain 4k points, since that was what A bet, and won
B would gain 5k points (half of 10k bet)
C would not change
D would lose 10k
E would lose 20k
That's a net change of -21k points, that's not the way the game is supposed to work.
I think, if you allowed multiple bet values, it would get wildly confusing...
You'd have to have sub-matches... ie all players compete in 4k even bet
Then, players B-E compete in 6k even bet where the finish of player A is excluded from the math
players C-E compete in 5k even bet where the finish of players A&B are excluded
players D&E compete in a 5k head to head bet.
Now, if the results were A,B,C,D,E
The point change would be:
A = +4K
B = +2K + 6K = +8K
C = 0 + 3K + 5K = +8K
D = -2K + -3K + 0 + 5K = 0
E = -4K - 6K - 5K - 5K = -20K
Net change = 4 + 8 + 8 + 0 - 20 = 0
If the results were E,D,C,B,A
The point change would be:
E = 4K + 6K + 5K + 5K = +20K
D = 2K + 3K + 0 -5K = 0
C = 0 -3K -5K = -8K
B = -2K - 6K = -8K
A = -4K
Net change = 20 - 8 - 8 - 4 = 0
The only problem with this weighted betting is that now, assuming that the players know what the bets are before the game, there could be partnering/ganging up...
It's much more advantageous to all players to knock out player D or E then to knock out player A, as more points would be made available to everyone else.
This would be even more apparent if it was something like this:
A has 10k points and bets 5k
B has 20k points and bets 5k
C has 20k points and bets 10k
D has 40k points and bets 30k
E has 40k points and bets 30k
Now, D&E are basically head to head, with the other 3 players as bumps in the road. They only care about beating the other player (D/E) because that's a 40k net swing in points regardless of if they finish 1/2 or 4/5 whoever finishes higher gets 20k extra, and whoever finishes lower finishes 20k less.
That means that the other 3 players can really "mess" with D&E however they see fit, as the points wouldn't matter nearly as much.
I think everyone should bet the same, so that everyone has the same amount to win or lose to even the playing field.
Otherwise, A, B and C could gang up against D & E since it would be in their best interest to finish 1,2,3 in any order and push D/E to the bottom 2 slots, thereby guaranteeing that they'd all gain points. |
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:31 pm |
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yes now you put it that way i would have to agree that it would have to be the same bet either way.
as for the players knowing what everyone bets, i am sure i put in first post, that everyone would put in bet value discreetly before game started as to ensure that no teaming of that could happen, but now thinking i definately think it would be better if everyone could ONLY bet the max amount of the minimum points player _________________
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:13 pm |
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MadMACS Moon
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Yes, if you can only bid the max amount of the min player, then that will prevent the thought "well MAYBE Booga bet a lot, so I better play harder against him"
When you say "discrete" and "same bet either way", do you mean that all players bid the max that they're willing to risk, and then the minimum bet by all players is accepted as the "bet"?
Is there a minimum bet?
Otherwise, you could have 5 big point players all in 1 game, 4 bid 25k, and player 5 bids 3k for whatever reason, so now the other 4 are all restricted to 3k bid. |
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:27 pm |
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i suppose you could do it where you can pick to either bet-
5k
10k
15k
or 20k
for the big players that way you know the stakes n everyone bids the same, _________________ love is completely being with someone, even when they arent with you, no matter what happens, ill always be here x x |
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